So I've tested this and it's totally confusing for Elementor Pro users. I understand this functionality is useful for Elementor without Elementor Pro. But it makes no sense to add this through a theme and have this if Elementor Pro is installed.

By default, it adds Header and Footer tab in the site settings, which is very confusing for Pro users. If I didn't read your explanation here, I would have absolutely no idea why is it there, what it does and that it only comes with the Hello theme.

People won't even understand this feature comes from the theme, because that's not how Elementor works. If you want to add a feature, add it in Elementor, not through a theme.

Does this seem like a good idea for the Pro user experience? You don't see it as confusing and unnecessary? Why are you suddenly adding features through a theme and not in Elementor itself?

(I understant that the code was added to Elementor and not the theme, but why is it then related only to the Hello theme?)

The most precious thing the Hello theme could provide is being lightweight and featureless. That's the only thing a Pro user wants from it.

The Hello theme should never add features (Let alone redundant confusing ones!) to the Elementor Pro experience, it should be invisible. We use it because we don't want to think about any theme related settings.

Four conceptual mistakes in my opinion:

• Hello theme should be kept featureless.
• Features should be added in Elementor, not through a theme.
• If you want to add a feature, add it to Elementor for everyone, not only for Hello theme users.
• Features for free users should not cause confusion to pro users.

I agree with the above. I'm also guessing most hello theme users are probably using pro anyway.

Sorry @shilo-ey , but this function is completely superfluous and does not belong in the Hello theme for me. This is exactly what I think about themes on themeforest and co. always bothered. Just that you are too limited in what you do. Anyone can select a template and click on the logo or click away. But that completely contradicts the Website Builder approach of the Elementor itself (as a plugin) and of course especially in the Pro version.

I want the Hello Theme to do absolutely nothing, except to say to Wordpress "yes, a theme is installed here" and a child theme into which you can add code if necessary.

I just don't understand how you can invest so much time in useless things. $49 a year for the Pro version is affordable for absolutely everyone to have this (and many more) function(s).

Sometimes I really wonder if you're listening to the community and especially your payers. You are wasting so much potential. Sorry, I know that was tough, but maybe there is no other way.

I mean, the Free Beta 3.2 takes so long to come and then I just have to read some crap about 2.4 Hello Theme. Uff. This "new" approach don't corresponds to everything that makes Elementor ...

I agree with the above. I'm also guessing most hello theme users are probably using pro anyway.

Yup. I am also convinced that's the only reasonable way.

If so, it might have been cool to make the theme even lighter out of the box or just add a "Wordpress Widget" area, but in principle it wouldn't have needed anything new.

The theme is great because it can't do anything. And it should stay that way.

Can you add a feature that will disable these settings if Pro is installed? I find it very confusing as a Pro user to have these header and footer settings in the site settings panel.

I have to agree with @MichaelDarko @fabianenzensperger as the hello theme shall remain as blank, minimal default styling, normalize / reboot.css some style to make the overall Pro Theme work pretty well (sufficiently).

Hello Theme shall remain as blank, with very basic stuff including single-elementor.php to edit Elementor's stuff like header and footer as suggested by @MichaelDarko

For the header and footer, isn't that covered in https://www.layerswp.com/ sufficient for free users? I thought that was the main reason for Elementor to take over Layers WP theme.

Hello theme shall only include;

• Normalize / Reboot.css
• Bare minimal css, js for user's manual input or hack (e.g. .current-page-ancestor which is not fixed by elementor menu)
• WP Cleaner functions e.g. remove generator, wlwmanifest.xml, emoji,
• single-elementor_library.php

For Hello Theme, I think the developer side could simply make a poll so we the user could provide you the answer of what users truly need. Ultimately Hello Theme is meant to be as bare minimal and highly optimized.

Writing to agree with the theme of previous comments. Loading up hello with duplicative features defeats its purpose as a lightweight Elementor-friendly theme. I want to use Hello because I can trust it won't become a bloated mess or conflict with My sites using Elementor (pro). This seems like a solution in search of a problem.

I absolutelly agree with everyone here. I was using hello theme because it was featureless, lighter and faster than other themes. If this theme starts to add funcionality, I will consider choosing another theme. Please, keep adding functionalities to elementor and elementor pro and don't focus on adding features to the theme.

Hello to all,
I don't agree with your statement, this feature can be interesting insofar as many people don't want to waste too much time in the design of the header and footer preferring something simple and be satisfied with the only customization features provided in the site settings. We can think of people who do not use Elementor Pro but want to use the Hello theme.

After testing, why push these settings so far? Also, can you add the em unit?
The rest seems to work on my side.

Hello to all,
I don't agree with your statement, this feature can be interesting insofar as many people don't want to waste too much time in the design of the header and footer preferring something simple and be satisfied with the only customization features provided in the site settings. We can think of people who do not use Elementor Pro but want to use the Hello theme.

After testing, why push these settings so far? Also, can you add the em unit?
The rest seems to work on my side.

No, sorry, it's a complete step backwards and makes absolutely no sense.

If, contrary to expectations, it is of course introduced anyway, it should be completely hidden for pro users, as it is only confusing.

Then this "advertisement" below, which you can create a header / footer with the Theme Builder. Then you don't even get to the new Theme Builder but to the Wordpress backend. Just maximally confusing.

And how should new users even know that this function are in the site settings (which you can only access if you edit a page with Elementor)? It's very hidden.

Especially as a Newbie, which is not a pro user, I imagine that as horror. But well, someone must have thought something here. Maybe.

PS: "waste too much time in design …", sorry but then they are wrong in webdesign.

Everything that I would've said has already been mentioned by other users here.

• Don't add features to the Hello Elementor theme - it shouldn't have any features
• Why actually include the code in the Elementor plug-in, but enable it only when Hello Elementor theme is used?
• These menus shouldn't exist when Elementor Pro is used, or at the very least they should be buried somewhere under a setting/toggle to turn them on, and be turned off by default with Elementor Pro

So I've tested this and it's totally confusing for Elementor Pro users. I understand this functionality is useful for Elementor without Elementor Pro. But it makes no sense to add this through a theme and have this if Elementor Pro is installed.

And if you want to give the free users an ability to design basic headers/footers, why do it through a theme? People won't understand why this feature is there with one theme and not another.

By default, it adds Header and Footer tab in the site settings, which is very confusing for Pro users. If I didn't read your explanation here, I would have absolutely no idea why is it there, what it does and that it only comes with the Hello theme.

People won't even understand this feature comes from the theme, because that's not how Elementor works. If you want to add a feature, add it in Elementor, not through a theme.

We use the Hello theme because we don't want a theme functionality. The Hello theme should be invisible. Now the theme is adding absolutely obsolete functionality (for pro users) that we have to opt out of, if we want to get rid of it.

Does this seem like a good idea for the Pro user experience? You don't see it as confusing and unnecessary? Why are you suddenly adding features through a theme and not in Elementor itself?

(I understant that the code was added to Elementor and not the theme, but why is it then related only to the Hello theme?)

The most precious thing the Hello theme could provide is being lightweight and featureless. That's the only thing a Pro user wants from it.

The Hello theme should never add features (Let alone useless and confusing ones!) to the Elementor Pro experience, it should be invisible. We use it because we don't want to think about any theme related settings.

Four conceptual mistakes in my opinion:

• Hello theme should be kept featureless.
• Features should be added in Elementor, not through a theme.
• If you want to add a feature, add it to Elementor for everyone, not only for Hello theme users.
• Features for free users should not cause confusion to pro users.

I've never been 100% agreed with someone. Please, do not take the wrong path...

I know we are not the owners of the product but.... This was something Elementor asked their community? Or something you decided to add just because looks or feel "nice to have"?...

I really don't want to have a Hello Theme with features at all... Hello Theme is EXCELLENT for what it is right now... Keep it that way please!

I can see some pros:

• Quickly scaffold a layout for an initial test build (particularly on a tight schedule)
• Can be completely ignored / overridden by Theme Builder
• Gives Free users a leg up with layout, using common design patterns
• Saves some Pro users from having to build that common design pattern over and over from scratch

But I can see some big cons with this too:

• Adds opinionated features to the theme
• Weakens the Pro offering (why should I upgrade to Theme Builder if the most common design patterns are covered here?)

The idea has good intentions, but to me the cons outweigh the pros. It seems like the value in Pro is diminishing to me when features like this come out to compete against it. I also agree that this theme should be focused on minimalism - the hello child theme exists to let users extend it any way they need.

Are there also any plans to address any of the bugs reported in the last 12 months?

elementor the product has been doing some strange things for the last 1 year. Changing prices and ringing up money. The blog page almost never posts tutorials on making innovations with elementor, but keeps posting blog posts with 0 comments that have nothing to do with elementor. Very strange.

+1 to the above comments. Seems like redundancy and added confusion for Pro customers. Like others mentioned above, I too only install Hello because it's essentially a "blank" theme and allows me to set everything from Elementor Pro for full customization capabilities. If I needed a theme that adds extra functionalities, I'd rather install Astra or some other Elementor-compatible theme.

Adding it in Hello doesn't quite make sense for the purpose it's being widely used (at least I think so..).

Saw this in my inbox today on the beta testing mailing list:

No code will be loaded when the Pro version of Elementor is detected. All code is optimized for speed.

This is good to hear, but as a Pro user I still feel a little uncomfortable about excessive chunks of code sitting around unused in all my deployed themes. This feature might not hurt performance, but it potentially hurts security as the surface of attack has increased in my theme for no benefit. "Less is more" should be the principle of a good scaffold theme.

I just came to increase the choir here.
We use Hello Theme because we want a theme with nothing, with as little as possible.

I don't know how much Elementor's heads know about the WordPress universe, but look at WooCommerce and the Storefront theme. It is as simple as possible, and if the user wants a different design, just go to the child, or if need even more, go to add-ons (or in the case of Elementor, for the Pro version).

Please do not change the Hello Theme, do not add anything else to worry about, and do Hello Theme Plus, or any other name, dedicated exclusively to users who want / need basic header and footer control.

The Hello theme is not meant to be used by EFree users, it is barebones for a reason. Even with the option to create headers and footers it is not a good choice for EFree users to work with the Hello theme because it misses all styled themeparts. Or is that next on the agenda?

Indeed. For me, it makes no sense to provide this kind of functionality in the theme.
Hope that this discussion makes the devs change their mind.

So I've tested this and it's totally confusing for Elementor Pro users. I understand this functionality is useful for Elementor without Elementor Pro. But it makes no sense to add this through a theme and have this if Elementor Pro is installed.

By default, it adds Header and Footer tab in the site settings, which is very confusing for Pro users. If I didn't read your explanation here, I would have absolutely no idea why is it there, what it does and that it only comes with the Hello theme.

People won't even understand this feature comes from the theme, because that's not how Elementor works. If you want to add a feature, add it in Elementor, not through a theme.

Does this seem like a good idea for the Pro user experience? You don't see it as confusing and unnecessary? Why are you suddenly adding features through a theme and not in Elementor itself?

(I understant that the code was added to Elementor and not the theme, but why is it then related only to the Hello theme?)

The most precious thing the Hello theme could provide is being lightweight and featureless. That's the only thing a Pro user wants from it.

The Hello theme should never add features (Let alone useless and confusing ones!) to the Elementor Pro experience, it should be invisible. We use it because we don't want to think about any theme related settings.

Four conceptual mistakes in my opinion:

• Hello theme should be kept featureless.
• Features should be added in Elementor, not through a theme.
• If you want to add a feature, add it to Elementor for everyone, not only for Hello theme users.
• Features for free users should not cause confusion to pro users.

Elementor development team lives in a parallel universe where more bloat makes a good product. This so-called update is "senseless". Take care of what really matters, like bloat, add functionality that people really need, like form conditions, etc. People are moving more and more away from Elementor because of this kind of move, without real perspective and creativity.

I'm curious and confused to be honest about how this decision was made? As a Hello user but also as a business owner/product maker.

Elementor is trying to combine 2 contradicting audiences into one product when adding a feature like this. Free users and Pro users. That doesn't work.

You are changing and playing with the products promise, which is dangerous for any business. The promise was: Hello is not for features. The Hello theme was created as a barebone solution for Elementor Pro users. You can't just change a products promise/usage case/problem.

And I can't help but think that Elementor knows. Because this decision is just weird and illogical. So please, if you want to stop offering a barebone theme, please be honest and communicate with us so Hello users can search for other solutions. From human to human, I write this as a happy Elementor user, we're all in for the best and we want to help each other. But don't just change a products promise out of the blue.

Other possible solution for adding a feature like this:

Add the feature to the free Elementor plugin.

or

Create a completely different theme for free users, next to the Hello theme.

All other themes > New Lightweight Elementor foundation theme for free users > Barebone Hello theme for pro user.

This way Elementor offers something for every user while extending their toolkit. Plus, you're not changing core promises of products that already exist (free or paid).

I'm curious and confused to be honest about how this decision was made?

Yes, this kind of reminds me of an old video, from their blog and social media:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuL0XHKp0Lg&t=125s

What was meant as a joke back then in 2020, has become the sad reality in these days: development driven by random choices... :-(

Yes, I know, I'm not being 100% fair here, a lot of good stuff was done as well. But the clear vision has been lacking - or at least can't be seen from the outside of the developers' universe - users' universe.

I feel so sad as I'm writing this - it's so frustrating to see such a good product moving in such weird directions ... :-(

I am an Elementor Expert who helps people learn Elementor. I have been teaching older adults for 25 years. In the last week alone I have gotten 3 clients that are using Astra Free with Elementor Pro. I have had to spend several hours trying to find reasons why someone would use a theme that does the exact same thing as Elementor Pro. I am not here to bash Astra, I am here to say that if you choose to put a bare bones header footer builder inside of Hello... MAKE IT VERY CLEARLY OBVIOUS HOW TO TURN IT OFF when they do decide to move to Elementor Pro. And make a very detailed video explaining it.

Short Summary:
How I currently build headers and footers is by using templates to add conditions to enable or disable them as needed for landing pages. So my question is are you able to just allow the free version of Elementor to be able to create Header and Footer templates, disabling condition options?

v2.4 Beta Review:
Setup is straight forward and I feel most, if not all, of the past clients that I rebuilt their sites for, would be able to figure this out. Most of them understood to edit the design they would navigate to Appearance - Customize. This is good as you have a Header & Footer tab with the "start here" button.

Making basic edits works but the "Color" and "Toggle Color" under Menu don't work properly. I found it easier to just go back one to Theme Style - Typography - Link and then setting the normal and hover state there.

In the footer, there is a bug when editing the Menu typography it actually is changing the Copyright typography.

Final Thoughts:
To me, for Elementor this makes sense on trying to make a header/footer editor. There is an obvious need as there are 1+ Million Active Installations of "Elementor – Header, Footer & Blocks Template" by Brainstorm Force and 300,000+ Active Installations of "Elements kit Elementor addons (Header & Footer Builder, Mega Menu Builder, Layout Library)" by Wpmet.

I don't believe the Hello Theme approach is ideal as it is clearly known as a "barebones" theme. So my question is are you able to just allow the free version of Elementor to be able to create Header and Footer templates, disabling condition options, in addition to the Page, Section, and Landing Page templates? This would leave the Hello Theme users happy, have free customers use the Templates tab to see your other offerings like Popups to possibly upsell them, and keep the drag and drop widgets concept fluid throughout the Elementor experience.

I'm surprised after all these comments (almost all of the same mindset and same advice to the Elementor team), that we haven't received any updates or responses yet from the E team. I hope we will hear something this week perhaps. I realize today is a stat holiday in certain countries/states/provinces so unlikely to see any response today, but hoping we'll see an update / responses to our feedback this week sometime.

Hello everyone!

Thank you for taking the time to share your insights and feedback.

According to your recommendations, we will modify this option and it will be added as an experiment in the Experiments screen (Elementor > Settings > Experiments). this way, existing sites won’t get affected and you will need to opt-in to this feature in every existing website.

As I mentioned above this is not meant to affect our Theme Builder users in any way will not impact the performance of Hello Theme.

We are open to your suggestions, please feel free to continue to share your thoughts and ideas with us.

thank you my friend. I did not know about this. Thanks for letting us know.

I propose your attention for this game changer function 🤞🙏🙏
#156

Hello All,

We just released a new beta version (beta 2).

First, I would like to thank all of you for your comments and suggestions.
We took the time to rethink this feature based on the feedback you shared and made some changes accordingly.

Let’s start with the why:
Your concerns about the performance of Hello theme are valid, and we want to emphasize that this is not an ongoing process or change that is coming to this theme. This is STILL a plain theme.

Hello theme should handle all site aspects only to the ones who want to use Elementor (free version) to create a fully functional site, therefore we modified the new Header and Footer feature to be less intrusive by marking it as an Experiment in Elementor’s Experiments screen (Elementor > Settings > Experiments).

This way, existing sites won’t get affected, and you will need to opt-in to this feature if needed. Don’t want to use it? nothing will change and you will be able to keep working on a plain vanilla theme without extra functionality that is being loaded.

We believe that many of our users will benefit from this new functionality - create a complete website using Elementor. Note that this change will not affect you, our Pro users, because just like any other theme that registers a header - it won’t be active if you use the Theme Builder features.

We invite you to test out the new version and share your thoughts about the latest changes:

• Tweak: Added Hello theme Header and footer as an Elementor Experiment
• Fix: Layout glitch in header mobile menu
• Fix: Layout is not consistent with sections in Header and Footer
• Fix: Missing max-width to the toggle holder
• Fix: Missing content width control in header when layout set to center
• Fix: Footer on a tablet device is not full width when set to full width
• Fix: The header menu disappears on tablet device when breakpoint set to Mobile(<768px)
• Fix: Footer copyright text not changed in the editor in live editing
• Fix: Header & Footer appear in Customize when the Experiment is inactive
• FIx: Horizontal and Dropdown menu appears at the same time when switching between them in edit mode

Please keep all comments related to the current beta only! For any other issue or feature request, feel free to open a new issue.

Thank you! Looking forward to your feedback.

Hello All,

We just released a new beta version (beta 2).

First, I would like to thank all of you for your comments and suggestions.
We took the time to rethink this feature based on the feedback you shared and made some changes accordingly.

Let’s start with the why:
Your concerns about the performance of Hello theme are valid, and we want to emphasize that this is not an ongoing process or change that is coming to this theme. This is STILL a plain theme.

Hello theme should handle all site aspects only to the ones who want to use Elementor (free version) to create a fully functional site, therefore we modified the new Header and Footer feature to be less intrusive by marking it as an Experiment in Elementor’s Experiments screen (Elementor > Settings > Experiments).

This way, existing sites won’t get affected, and you will need to opt-in to this feature if needed. Don’t want to use it? nothing will change and you will be able to keep working on a plain vanilla theme without extra functionality that is being loaded.

We believe that many of our users will benefit from this new functionality - create a complete website using Elementor. Note that this change will not affect you, our Pro users, because just like any other theme that registers a header - it won’t be active if you use the Theme Builder features.

We invite you to test out the new version and share your thoughts about the latest changes:

• Tweak: Added Hello theme Header and footer as an Elementor Experiment
• Fix: Layout glitch in header mobile menu
• Fix: Layout is not consistent with sections in Header and Footer
• Fix: Missing max-width to the toggle holder
• Fix: Missing content width control in header when layout set to center
• Fix: Footer on a tablet device is not full width when set to full width
• Fix: The header menu disappears on tablet device when breakpoint set to Mobile(<768px)
• Fix: Footer copyright text not changed in the editor in live editing
• Fix: Header & Footer appear in Customize when the Experiment is inactive
• FIx: Horizontal and Dropdown menu appears at the same time when switching between them in edit mode

Please keep all comments related to the current beta only! For any other issue or feature request, feel free to open a new issue.

Thank you! Looking forward to your feedback.

I think it's a good compromise. For the future, it would be nice to find another solution to enable or disable certain functions of Elementor (widgets) or the theme.

The list of experiments is slowly getting long and confusing.

hi @avivu
When will the official version be released?
Has the new version worked on optimizing the code?

I think it's a good compromise. For the future, it would be nice to find another solution to enable or disable certain functions of Elementor (widgets) or the theme. Maybe like this

The list of experiments is slowly getting long and confusing.

Agreed! The experiment list is long now and the whole premise of experiments is that they're temporary (they'll eventually move into a fully-baked feature or be removed), so once it is promoted to a fully-baked feature then what is the situation there for those who wanted it off, for example? Hopefully that will be thought of too.

Thank you for listening to our feedback though and rethinking your approach. We appreciate it! 😃

This is STILL a plain theme.

Maybe it's a confusion of words on my part (since I'm not native), but if I'm right, this "STILL" makes me slightly worried.

At the moment it's a plain vanilla theme, but what we're all looking for with Hello Theme is that it's ALWAYS a vanilla theme. Just as little as possible, lighter, simpler, minimal.

As others have said above, experiments aren't forever and sometimes it will be built in natively, everything we don't want when using Hello Theme.

Need to add more features? Make a new theme, and each one uses what is best for their reality.

@fabianenzensperger - Thank you! We will address the Experiments screen and try to find a good solution to all sides.

@79ho3ein - Offical release should be in two weeks. Stay tuned for more updates later on :)

@d19dotca - As mentioned above, we will try to find a solution for the Experiments screen.
Regarding the Hello Theme - don't worry; we will not change the new behavior. Thanks!

@fxaviers - We also want and will keep Hello Theme as light as possible, and it's not going to be an ongoing process of adding features to the theme. We will consider your other suggestions.

Thank you all! :)

@79ho3ein - Offical release should be in two weeks. Stay tuned for more updates later on :)

Thank you for your efforts. Good luck.

hi @avivu
I use hello theme to design my projects. But there is a problem with most plugins, especially crocoblock plugins. All clickable elements (with link)
Once clicked, they have an outline. I will show you this problem below :
Before clicking : https://prnt.sc/15ubgez That is not a problem
After clicking : https://prnt.sc/15ubjv8 After clicking, a black border appears.

I did not see this problem in other formats.I contacted crocoblock support, they said there was a problem with the theme. And must be solved by the theme developers.
This problem with the code: outline: none; Is solved, but The number of these cases is so large that it is very time consuming to code for each of them.
Please fix this problem in future update if possible.

thanks you.

Hi @79ho3ein
Thank you for the input; we will take a look and examine this issue, but first, please open a new issue that is not related to the current beta thread, so it won't get lost once the beta issue is closed.

Thank you!

Hey all,
We just released a new beta version; please update your version to v2.4.0 Beta 3.

Please note that this beta version is our release candidate that supposed to be released by 29/06/2021.

This beta release includes:

• Tweak: Updated Elementor admin notices UI
• Fix: footer-has-copyright class remained when Copyright toggled off
• Fix: Header & Footer styling not loading on non-Elementor pages
• Fix: Mobile menu not triggering on non-Elementor pages

Please keep all comments related to the current beta only! For any other issue or feature request, feel free to open a new issue.

Thanks again to everyone!

@avivu Unfortunately, I still don't understand the meaning behind this new "feature" from the Hello Theme. It is absolutely incomprehensible to me why Elementor spends time and money developing such useless things.

There is not a single person I have read here or elsewhere that this feature is needed. Rather the opposite, it will be very much wondered what has ridden you.

Unfortunately, at a meeting with the chief developers @shilo-ey and @Dor_s , I forgot to ask what must have happened to make you think this function could be useful. I just do not understand.

Now we have a new update in a few days that I won't even begin to install. It then buzzes around in the experiments, everyone will wonder what this is about and hardly anyone will use it. And if a free user user should, he will feel ripped off because you are very limited.

And doesn't Elementor want to be exactly the opposite? Unlimited?

Why not perfect a function (theme builder and the nav menu widgets including more sticky options) instead of bringing up a mess that just takes extra work and annoyances?

Just wanted to share my thoughts on it again. Me and there I speak I think for everyone, don't want a Hello Theme that has (unnecessary) functions. For my part, fix the requests that are listed as an issue, but please let go of that.

And I'm really sorry that I'm so hard. But this really annoys me. I've been looking so long for a theme that can't do anything and that performs well. It may still be afterwards, but it won't feel like that anymore.

If I get an answer to these concerns here, please answer me in detail and don't avoid any sentences. I want to understand. And please don't say it might be useful. That's not true.

I still don't understand how everyone can't see a clear use for this. I confess, I am a heavyuser of Elementor Free, and I always look for external extensions when I want to create a header for my clients. I create basic sites, which are not worth using Elementor Pro in my country, $49 = R$242.98, which becomes totally unfeasible in some cases where I charge R$500.00 per site.

But back to functionality. It's simple, most themes already come with this function, what's the problem with hello that it's the best theme there is to have one?

+1 for the feature.

It's simple, most themes already come with this function

For a very simple reason, Hello Theme was created to be as simple as possible. If you want to change header and footer, look for another theme.
Changing this principle midway is counterproductive.

I completely understand your point, our currency is very undervalued, but that is no reason to implement the function in the theme.

what's the problem with hello that it's the best theme there is to have one

Hello is not the best theme to work with Elementor Free. Introducing basic, very basic header and footer feature does not make it the perfect fit that it is with Elementor Pro. All the controls are missing, the single and archive look like crap. When you want a great theme for Elementor Free then best go with a high featured one like Blocksy.

The best theme for Elementor Pro was Hello, it was never meant to be used with Free and adding this header/footer is so fundamentally wrong. The same goes for the Experiments solution. That was meant for new features that when fully ironed out would move out of experiments into the core. All this is incomprohensible.

The Elementor team find this video (from WPTuts) worth a watch as it does a decent job at explaining the concerns listed out earlier: https://youtu.be/UJk6s2B-bWs

More specifically the comments on the video which many echo ours in this beta thread.

Please start another theme and name it something else and leave Hello for the developers to do what they want with nothing to slow them down. PLEASE!!

Can you please check / advise the Beta 3 link ASAP? It still points to Beta 1 !
https://github.com/elementor/hello-theme/files/6166057/hello-theme.zip
Beta 1 is not compatible with Elementor 3.2.x
thanks

@avivu Unfortunately, I still don't understand the meaning behind this new "feature" from the Hello Theme. It is absolutely incomprehensible to me why Elementor spends time and money developing such useless things.

There is not a single person I have read here or elsewhere that this feature is needed. Rather the opposite, it will be very much wondered what has ridden you.

Unfortunately, at a meeting with the chief developers @shilo-ey and @Dor_s , I forgot to ask what must have happened to make you think this function could be useful. I just do not understand.

Now we have a new update in a few days that I won't even begin to install. It then buzzes around in the experiments, everyone will wonder what this is about and hardly anyone will use it. And if a free user user should, he will feel ripped off because you are very limited.

And doesn't Elementor want to be exactly the opposite? Unlimited?

Why not perfect a function (theme builder and the nav menu widgets including more sticky options) instead of bringing up a mess that just takes extra work and annoyances?

Just wanted to share my thoughts on it again. Me and there I speak I think for everyone, don't want a Hello Theme that has (unnecessary) functions. For my part, fix the requests that are listed as an issue, but please let go of that.

And I'm really sorry that I'm so hard. But this really annoys me. I've been looking so long for a theme that can't do anything and that performs well. It may still be afterwards, but it won't feel like that anymore.

If I get an answer to these concerns here, please answer me in detail and don't avoid any sentences. I want to understand. And please don't say it might be useful. That's not true.

Hey @fabianenzensperger ,

Thank you for your sincere feedback.

We DO want to allow unlimited capabilities to everyone, even if they are not our Pro users,
In addition, we want to provide our users with free template Kits, which now can be found in beta 3.3.0.

This will allow users who want to - to create a full website without paying anything and still keep the simplicity of Elementor and Hello Theme.

Can you please check / advise the Beta 3 link ASAP? It still points to Beta 1 !
elementor/hello-theme/files/6166057/hello-theme.zip
Beta 1 is not compatible with Elementor 3.2.x
thanks

Thanks, link updated >> Download now

Thanks

It's quite clear that on here and on Hello Git no developer is wanting this functionality!

As you guys insist on including it why not add it as a standalone plugin to extend Hello & Elementor Free?

You could then just add a simple message system to the hello theme such as:

• If hello is installed and only Elementor free is installed display a message promoting the standalone plugin.
• If hello is installed and Elementor pro is installed display no message/do nothing different.

This way you can easily do updates to the header & builder, track usage and downloads and provide dedicated support etc via WordPress Plugins portal.

I am sure anyone using free will not mind an extra plugin as if you are using pro you need pro as an extra anyway.

Most serious developers anyway modify Hello to their needs and this would reduce the updates to the theme to actually only be core updates.

Not rocket science, but would keep all of your developers happy!

This will allow users who want to - to create a full website without paying anything and still keep the simplicity of Elementor and Hello Theme.

Doesn't this kind of devalue Elementor Pro though if features that were generally Pro-only are being released (even if limited) to everybody using the free version?

My friends, I did not understand what you meant. That is, the hello template becomes a professional and non-free version?
Can you explain?
thank you

Hello All,
After a long period of beta and optimizations, we just released Hello Theme v2.4.0.

We want to thank all of you for your comments and suggestions. Our main focus in this version is to allow every user who wants to, to create a fully functioning website using the free version of Elementor, and still keep the simplicity of Elementor and Hello Theme.

As you know, we are marking this feature as an Experiment - this way, existing sites won’t get affected, and you will need to manually opt-in to this feature.

For any other issue or feature request, feel free to open a new issue.
Thank you!